How people can be so unjust!

Propaganda, folks.....I've been saying this for how long? Hezbollah, please........................as if anything they did could be trusted..........
Hezbollywood - CNN admits staging of photos by Hezbollah
www.youtube.com
In this video Anderson Cooper on CNN admits to staging of photos by Hezbollah with ambulances. tags: hezbollywood hezbollah lebanon war pallywood israel islam muslim terrorism terror palestine qan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXy6q4cH4pw&feature=related




Mohammad Mahmoud
There are too many people who were killed already in Israeli attacks on schools and ambulances, which makes it nonsense talking about "staging photos", Miss Karmen :)
Maybe the Unrwa are also faking attacks
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index....php?context=va&aid=11728
Attacking ambulances in West Bank, Don't accuse Hezbollywood here honey
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=45313




Karmen Wynick Let's see what Honest Reporting has to say. They expose lies in media...all the time......:)


Mohammad Mahmoud These are not media lies Karmen, these are UN reports.


Karmen Wynick ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! U.N. reports? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! You made my day, Mahomet. Thank you for the humor. U.N> HAHAHAHAHAHA


Sharon Bussell Nonsense about staging photos? How about the Al-Durra affair Mohammed? And wasn't there something staged by the Algerian media after the Egyptian soccer team beat them? This type of thing is rampant in the Arab media....ask anyone in the region



Karmen Wynick thank you, Sharon. Al-Durra is ALIVE AND WELL....in Egypt, of all places...or was shortly after. I am not sure where he is now.



George Holmes Hey Mo, If you launch rockets from schools, your schools will be destroyed. Doesn't seem like a good strategy. Why is it that when cowards hide behind children and endanger the children, that Israel is to blame? But when these same cowards strap explosives to their own children, the little ones become martyrs? Of course the cowards still live to "fight" another day...



Mohammad Mahmoud
The photos of Al-Dorra were taken by the French channel 2, It was not Arabic, soccer boy, look for Charles Enderlin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Durrah_incident
You got to wake up from ur d...reams, Karmen, I hope u don't think the photos of Hoda crying over her dad's body Israel killed on Gaza beach are also staged


Karmen Wynick Dear Mahomet....I wish you could leave your world. It is so corrupt and biased...but, I expect you to believe what your media tells you. It's all you've been given since you left your mother's womb. I hope one day you can leave and see the world from a different angle


Kendra M Adams
And, if you hide in civilian buildings and use children as human shields, what can you expect sometimes? The difference is, really, is that Israelis NEVER TARGET children and innocents while Muslims-- whether Hezbollah, Hamas, other Muslim ......groups, DO TARGET INNOCENTS. Furthermore, if you laid down your weapons today, there's be no more war. Israel just wants to exist while most of the Muslim world wants it wiped off the face of the earth.

Islam is supremacist and the Koran teaches to hate all Jews and Christians and that all infidels should be subdued, converted and/or killed until dar al Islam-- until the entire world is under sharia law. This is what drives jihad. . . not any border dispute



Mohammad Mahmoud
We were not launchin rockets from Bahr El Baqar, my friend
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahr_el-Baqar_incident
My media didn't give me those pages on wikipedia, Karmen, It's u who should think of using ur 2 eyes, not living as a one-eyed Cyclope :)
You used the words "Israelis" Kendra, why did u use "Muslims" not Hamas and Hezbollah?
Where does Quran teache so? I had a long conversation with Karmen about hate verses in Quran, I told her to bring me any more verses she could find, I extend the deal to u, and I won't talk about orders to smash babies heads in ur holy book, I promise u this



Kendra M Adams Because Islam drives the Arab world, and Judaism doesn't drive the Israelis' behavior. Israel and America are driven by democratic values. The muslim world is driven by Islamic values. Your whole life is run by a 7th century barbaric ideology. That's why


Karmen Wynick Wikipedia again? Good grief. Mahomet, don't embarrass yourself.

Kendra M Adams Have you READ the Koran, the Hadiths, Mohammad? I have. I've been studying Islam for 10 years and have a koran in front of me now. All the peaceful verses were abrogated by violent murderous verses. Let me ask YOU something, Mohammad. Was your "prophet" the perfect ideal human being? Do you believe his behavior to be perfect-- behavior to emulate?




Mohammad Mahmoud
I guess you wouldn't believe any source mentioning the casualties in our school children, Karmen, including Israeli sources, so spare my time
The Israelis returned to this promised land because of Judaism, Kendra, Please tell Karmen about what u see exactly in my barbaric ideology that I should change :)



Mohammad Mahmoud Yes, Kendra. I believe so, and please just put ur verses here to take a look with the fellows


kendra M Adams That's right; they did, Mohammad. But, they don't target you because they are Jews or because you aren't Jewish-- they fight to defend their existence. The Muslims kill Israelis because they are Jews and because they are non-Muslims.


Kendra M Adams So, everything mohammed did, then, was perfect-- but he advocated rape, murder, beheadings, child marriage/rape, theft and lies. . . and this is perfect to you if it furthers the spread of Islam and sharia?


Mohammad Mahmoud We had a long history of Jewish existence in muslim countries when u were putting the Jews on fire in the West, Kendra and we didn't kill them because they were Jews


Mohammad Mahmoud He didn't do any of this, Jesus of the bible may have done some, but not Mohammad



Mohammad Mahmoud When Mohammad returned back in victory to Mecca, the city that he had to leave to save his life, he didn't kill 1 single person, including those who killed his uncle Hamza and mutilated his body, check what the bible says about Jesus ordering to kill when he entered Jerusalem


Kendra M Adams
Jesus? ahahha. . .Jesus forgave his enemies; Mohammed murdered them! Jesus preached love and tolerance. . . Mohammad preached that anything was okay as long as it furthered the spread of Islam. You know nothing at all, Mohammad.

Mohammad mandated jihad-- whether by propaganda, by money, or by sword. Jihadists do what they do today because of what was written 1400 years ago.


Mohammad Mahmoud Luke 19 : 27, just to save ur time


Mohammad Mahmoud Don't ever talk again without sources, Kendra, Please use that Quran in front of u so I can respond to u


Karmen Wynick Mahomet. Luke 19:27 is a parable....it starts in verse 11 and goes through verse 27. A parable is a story to illustrate a greater point. Jesus did not order anyone to be killed. This is a story/parable he is telling.


Kendra M Adams Oh please, Mohammad. . . one controversial chapter in the whole New Testament. . . when 70% of the Koran is violent. I'm not here to defend Christianity, because Christians aren't out to kill us. Islamic law teaches that you are supposed to deceive the kafir, try to convert us, subdue us, and then finally kill us. There is nothing remotely similar in the OT (despite some of its violence) NOR the New Testament.


Mohammad Mahmoud And wasn't Jesus the same God who ordered killing and stoning through out the Old Testament, Karmen? Why did he have this change of heart?


Kendra M Adams
And that verse isn't used to justify violence today-- it's considered a kind of metaphor or parable. . . that if you don't follow Jesus or accept Jesus, you will suffer AFTER DEATH in hell. . . it's not interpreted as a verse that justifies killing. Maybe once it did, but people today consider that a misapplication of theology. Furthermore, Jesus NEVER killed or raped or had sex with children. Mohammad did.

The difference is, in Islam, if one follows the example of Jesus, they are loving, kind, forgiving. If one follows the path of Mohammed, they are rapists, pedophiles, murderers



Mohammad Mahmoud Is this a science fiction movie u'r telling here Kendra? please tell me where is all this u're talkin about, let me try out ur 10 years studies
Who are the enemies who didn't want the man to reign in the story, Karmen?


Mohammad Mahmoud Okay, Kendra, I'm then a rapist and a murderer, this is why u have to kill me!


Mohammad Mahmoud It's funny that some idiots were preachin that the swords Jesus ordered his companions to buy were metaphorical too!

Kendra M Adams
You know, do Jews stone today? No, they don't, because Judaism has been reformed and has had ongoing reformation. Christianity has had two major reformations. Islam will never even have ONE because the Koran is considered the eternal perfe...ct word of God. . . unchangeable and to even SUGGEST you disregard the verses that mandate murder and torture etc., is considered blasphemy.

In the OT, God only ordered violence to a specific enemy at a specific time in a specific place. Once the enemy was defeated, violence was over and there was no "jihad" concept as there is in Islam. Jewish law was considered for Jews ONLY and it was never considered that non-jews should follow Jewish law. It had nothing to do with anyone else.

Conversely, Sharia is mandated for ALL-- muslims and non-Muslims alike. Whether we want to live under it or not-- you are supposed to do jihad until we are subdued/dhimmified, converted, or killed. Period. Until there's a world wide umma. Until we're all under sharia law.


Mohammad Mahmoud We're talkin about a nature of a God, Kendra, not about human reforms!
You haven't mentioned any sources yet, unfortunately


Kendra M Adams Well, where do you want to begin? How should I begin, Mohammad? Surah 9:5? 8:39? 8:12? 3:151? 2:191?


Karmen Wynick @ Mohammad: It is a parable about 'stewardship.' More later. I am on West Coast time and must go to bed. I have the Middle East to save tomorrow. Big job, I know, but somebody has to do it. Night all! :)



Kendra M Adams How on earth do you want to do this? I can cut and paste Koran verses from all over the internet. . . that you're denying their violence is incredible to me.



Tarun Mehta christianity may or may not have taught violence,,but christians ddint kill anyone when eltonjohn said jesus was g*y...but we can see the peaceful protests by muslims all over the world by burning embassies and recently muslims burnt down the missionary school in kashmir on the hoax information of qurans being burnt down in america,,



Mohammad Mahmoud
to understand 9:5 u have to look at 9:4 first "Except for those with whom u had a treaty among those disbelievers, if they did not reduce anything from it nor did they plan to attack u, u shall fulfill their terms until they expire, God loves the righteous
9:5 itself talks about certain people in certain time and place, just like u defended the OT God
and then 9:6
If any of those disbelievers seek ur protection, then u may protect them, then u may protect him so that he may hear the words of God, then let him reach his sanctuary.

8:38
Say to the ingrates"If they cease, then what has passed before will be forgiven to them"
8:39 You should fight them all until there's no more OPPRESSION, and the other half of the verse : but if they CEASE then God is seer of what they do.
8:40 If they turn away, know that God is ur patron, what an excellent patron!

8:13 That's because they have aggressed...

3:151 What's with casting fear in the hearts of the infidels? They were waging a war against the believers!

2:190 Fight in the cause of God against THOSE WHO FIGHT YOU, but do not transgress, God loves not the agressors!
192 : If they cease, then God is Forgiving, Compassionate



Mohammad Mahmoud
Christians didn't kill anyone through out their history, Tarun? Anyway you shouldn't fall into this logical fallacy and judge the religion according to some humans actions
Kendra : Give me more from the internet, I'm just disappointed in ur ...10 years wasted in vain this way!


Tarun Mehta well mohmammed ..relgion doesnt exist on a piece of book alone it is demonstrated by the actions of its followers....muslim actions is attachable to character of islam...


Kendra M Adams
If it wasn't for the consistent theme of hatred and enmity towards the kafirs throughout the entire koran, hadith, and the sunna. . . 9:5 is CONSISTENT with everything else. When you say it's out of context, it's not at all "out of context"...; it's the central theme in the Koran. IF there was no other discussion of these themes, then you could say that 9:5 is an exception and could be thrown out. But, it comes up again and again and again-- it's not exceptional, it's the commonality. To suggest it's not, is a misreading of the text.

There are two sets of rules in Islam-- one is how Muslims treat Muslims and the other is how Muslims treat non-Muslims or the infidels, the unBelievers.

Also, I don't want to do Islam quotes with you because we could do this all night and won't get anywhere. I'll give you a quote and you'll pretend it means something else.


Mohammad Mahmoud So, u believe that ALL muslims are rapists and murderers, Tarun?

Tarun Mehta where did i say that....
muslim action whether they are good or bad are attachable to behavior sheet of islam..


Mohammad Mahmoud
You're wrong Kendra, Quran is full of verses talkin about the disbelievers and how we should deal fairly with even if they wrong us
Quran 60:8 God does not forbid you from those who have not fought you because of your religion, nor drove yo...u out of your homes, that you deal kindly and equitably, For God loves the equitable.
9 : God only forbid you regarding those who fought you because of your religion and drove you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, You should not ally with them



Kendra M Adams
Proponents of Islam ALWAYS defend the violence as defensive. But, in Islam, defensive means something different. Any unbeliever or unIslamic culture that doesn't accept Islam is considered to be attacking Islam. Therefore, Islam fights against the unBeliever "defensively" because they consider themselves attacked because Islam isn't accepted. That's the twisted logic of Islam. .. the "non-Acceptance" is considered an attack upon Islam.

That is why Islam is at war with the unbelievers perpetually. Because, whenever we haven't accepted Islam, we're considered to have attacked Islam. It is completely contrary to the Western concepts of these terms: attack and defense.



Tarun Mehta mohammed can u guide us about jizya(the islamic tax on non muslims)

Mohammad Mahmoud But neither muslims nor christians are one, Tarun
You may like to read about Sufism and its strickt asceticism and moral system, which are the core of Islam

http://cloudno5.blogspot.com/2010/09/on-morals-and-modesty.html


Kendra M Adams Mohammad, those verses that are peaceful and sweet and loving are all abrogated by violent hateful verses.

Tarun Mehta sufism is it the sect of islam...or does islam teach sufism...?
we have got other sects to like wahabism,salafi and what not..


Kendra M Adams You know what, Mohammad? You may be peaceful. . . and that's nice. . .but that doesn't make you a moderate Muslim, it makes you an extreme Muslim. According to doctrine, you are mandated to support jihad and bring about sharia law.

Mohammad Mahmoud No Kendra, those verses can never be abrogated because they talk in general, like "Let there be no compulsion in religion, the truth stands out clear" It's in the same chapter 2 which is inspired during the wars with the infidels, it can never be abrogated by verses who are clearly talkin about certain people and certain time!

Mohammad Mahmoud And I showed u that the abrogating verses that u mentioned are clearly stated about the infidels who are fighting muslims, and clearly ordering to comply to peace if they cease aggression, how can verses full of God not loving the aggressors be abrogated?


Kendra M Adams But they all share the same Koran,Tarun. . . the doctrine is the same no matter what.


Kendra M Adams Mohammad, your "prophet" ordered that all of Arabia should be only one religion right before he died. . . those were some of his final words. . . and when he died, his followers followed his orders! That was not and could not be abrogated.


Mohammad Mahmoud Jezya is a tax given by Christians and Jews to the state in response to protection of them as citizens, if they share in the army they don't pay Jezya and if muslim army retreats, Jezia is given back to them, like what happened to the people of Syria during the wars with the Romans, Muslims also pay a tax to the state named Zakah

Mohammad Mahmoud Don't talk with such generalization Kendra, again name some sources, don't talk about 1.5 billion muslims as if they were one group, they are pretty much different and variable in their understanding and practicing of Islam


Tarun Mehta did bible have verse on zakaah....
hahaha...what u have to pay tax for being a non- muslim ...? islamic equality is great..only minority of non-muslims may be in army remaining should pay taxes isnt it...?

Mohammad Mahmoud Teachings of Sufism are the teachings of Quran and Sunna, Read any book about Sufism, they don't have additional sources for their teachings.

Tarun Mehta freedom of minorities in islamic countries shows the version of islam they are practicing.
and wahabi do they read any other book..?


Mohammad Mahmoud If u don't want to pay the tax of Jezia, u can join the army, Tarun, I wish I could do this now, pay the Jezia I mean!

Tarun Mehta ahaan..so i have to be either in army or pay jizya...sad that islamic countries arent practicing what they are taught in islam..? jizya i mean!

Mohammad Mahmoud
For so long time, freedom of minorities in Muslim countries were much better than in most Western countries, specially towards the Jews.
Wahabbis differ in their understanding the Quran and Sunna, they are more radical, blame them not Islam

In most countries, my friend u have to join the army, It's a duty on u towards ur people and ur homeland

Kendra M Adams
Let's get down to essentials. After your prophet did the hijra to Medina, he became a violent warlord. Islam did not grow with prophet mohammad as a peaceful purveyor of his new religion. It grew because he conquered and killed people. W...hen people get the Koran from the bookstore and read it, they always say, "Gee, I read the Koran but I don't understand it". They don't understand it because the chapters have been put in order arbitrarily, mostly by size, with one or two exceptions.

The problem with an arbitrary ordering of chapters is that all chronology has been removed.

Our scholars have put the chronology back into the Koran so that it can be understood as it was written (or, to Muslims, "revealed"). there is no argument that the Koran was "revealed" to Mohammad during the course of his life. The only way to understand the Koran is to match it with the events of Mohammad's life which are found in the Sira and Hadith and make up the Sunna. When this is done, the message of the Koran becomes very clear. The ordering of Koranic surahs can only be understood insofar as they are linked with the Sira, or Mohammad's life.

In this way ONLY is abrogation understood. The earlier verses are abrogated by later verses, Allah said that this was so, and only in chronological order can the abrogated verses be identified and the later authoritative verses be seen.

Unfortunately for us all, the later verses are violent and hate-filled and intolerant.

Defenders of Islam who speak glowingly of their prophet and his warfare ALWAYS describe Mohammad's violence as defensive. However, the Koranic concept of offense and defense-- attack and defense, are contrary to Western concepts of the same terms. In Islam, when Islam is rejected by the unbelievers, the Umma considers this an attack upon Islam which justifies violent action upon the unbelievers who have rejected Islam. This is exactly what Mohammad did 1400 years ago, too.

When a defender says, "Mohammad's wars were defensive", the term "defensive" is actually upside down from a westerner's concept because no westerner would suggest that a rejection of an invitation is an attack. This essentially means that, with this concept of the rejection of Islam as an attack that, therefore ALL Islamic doctrinal violence is "defensive" in character. This allows the Islam apologist to talk about defensive warfare in a debate such as this.

The foundation of the confusion in the West about Islam is about the confusion of terminology. The following terms mean the OPPOSITE to Islam than they do to Westerners:

moderate
extremist
defense
attack
peace
war
tumult
victim
charity
sin
faith
tolerance
etc.

If Islam is peaceful, then the defender of Islam who claims that it's peaceful HAS TO EXPLAIN why is Islam about the implementation of Sharia law across the world and why is Sharia law so viciously intolerant and cruel? If Sharia law is the legal system of Islam, and if the purpose of Islam is to implement its legal system upon believers and non-believers alike, how can the argument be made that Islam is tolerant and peaceful? We see sharia law implemented daily in the Muslim world. It ain't peaceful.



Mohammad Mahmoud
The chapters of Quran are arranged according to size, but actually most verses that I mentioned here were inspired in Medina not Mecca, u can check ur own version of Quran u should find the sequence in the end.
If Mohammad turned violent, th...en there was no moment better than the moment he entered his old city Mecca, he didn't revenge, he even changed his horse with a mule on entering the city, out of modesty.
The chronology is actually put by our scholars, this is why u refuse the plain truth that verses which order us to deal just and good with the disbelievers were actually inspired in the late days of the prophet, not in Mecca.
Check the verses of fighting that u just mentioned, They are clear in excluding those who don't fight muslims, ordering muslims to comply to peace whenever it's possible. What more do u need after ordering to kill the infidels than asserting that God loves not the aggressors?
Tell me about the abrogated verses and the abrogating ones so I can show u how do u wrong Islam
Read this Kendra
http://expertscolumn.com/content/jihad-and-terrorism-what-quran-teaches
Shari'a laws are implemented in Muslim countries? There are only 2 countries which apply harsh shari'a laws which are Saudi Arabia and Iran, this means u consider the rest countries moderate?
You haven't mentioned where Islam teaches us to implement of Sharia law across the world


Mohammad Mahmoud And u should tell us more how ur weasel scholars could reach the chronology that we removed :d


Tarun Mehta
"In most countries, my friend u have to join the army, It's a duty on u towards ur people and ur homeland..."

homeland is one which doesnt discriminate u on the basis of religion u practice and it is not the one who imposes special taxes to...wards on any people..


Kendra M Adams
Weasel? lol. . .I thought nonMuslims were apes and pigs. . . that's new to me. . .see? we all have something to learn.

As for chronology, it's clear if you know Mo's biographical details as found in the Sira. . . it's not rocket science, Mo...hammad. It just takes some time. But, there's no sense in reading the Koran out of order. It makes sense and is understandable when read in proper order, how Mohammad claimed it was "revealed" (lol).

I'm glad you want to learn.


Kendra M Adams Islamic law: http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/three-lashes-for-selling-cooked-rice-during-ramadan-in-aceh/399256

Tomorrow. :D


Puneet Madaan
did i hear UN ambulance reference without a mention about how they are used to transfer weapon and terrorist ...

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38747

>> Bahr el-Baqar incident
...
references of 6 days war ... WOW, even a idiot knows that it was a war provoked by Arabs & not from Israel.. Expecting that Israel know every part of Egyptian demography, & that too in post GPS time... when hardly any way was possible for a plane to distinguish between a regular building & school is Just a classic example of how Muslim carve their logic.

anyways did egypt officially provided a map telling location of schools before declared 6 days war ? NO .... beside its a Islamic practice to bomb civilians deliberately, Mumbai 26/11 incident was the best example about how the peoples of ummah think & use map technology. In our democratic world, we try to separate civilian & military zone to minimize the loss of civilian lives during war...

>>to understand 9:5 u have to look at 9:4 first "Except for those with whom u had a

if i am right mohammed, the koran is not chronologic text, rather the suras are unordered text binded into a book(including a few later created as a replica because goat ate many of them during Mo's death), and Muslim clerigy tells to read them in the way they were spewed out of mohammed's mouth, & not the way they are in book.

anyways Every religion claim that if one do not follow its path, then he/she will suffer in hell in After life... but in islam, the follower make life of others a hell by sticking with the sick ideology of 6th century war-lord.... who wanted everyone to surrender to him or die (oh & later formatting & introduced text pushed by later caliphs )....

P.S. regarding sufism, then islam is no orthodoxy, its orthopraxy .... the sect are organized not on basis of interpretation, rather on level of deviation the sect has moved away/towards the action of Mohammed. the main driving source of Islamic militancy is not based on interpretation, rather it comes from the people that tune themselves to mohammed...

Bahai's & Ahmedis are not considered Muslims anymore in many countries because they reached a point from where the blood-thurstiness demanded by mohammed in action can not be fulfilled...

Remember i haven't seen any proclamation that throws salafis, wahabis, talibanis, deobandis out of islam, but we do observe the bahais, ahmedis designated officially as kuffars (even in moderates of Islamic nation including pakistan, Malaysia etc etc)...



Mohammad Mahmoud
Kendra: These 3 lashes for selling rice doesn't come from Quran nor Mohammad's teachings, so don't blame Islam for it. You should read about the dark side of Christian history better, When the church reigned, so that you know how much atrocities were made in the name of The Christ (pbuh), and avoid falling in such fallacies.

I told Kendra before, even those violent verses are clear to be about fighting transgressors only, No one has the right to call any other who says I'm a muslim "a kafir' these are our teachings
The goat who ate the verse Hadith is only a silly attempt to bring this Toratic stoning punishment to Islam, It's against Quranic teachings, and the Hadith isn't authentic or even known to most muslims, u'll find it mainly used to attack Al-Bukhari's book, because such Hadith would be offensive for the public, they don't even know that verse of stoning.
Bahr El Baqar incident wasn't during the 6 days war, it was one of a series of Israeli attacks against Egyptian civilian targets to push Naser to end the war of attrition against Israeli occupying forces in Sinai, so save ur nonsense to urself, If u want to deny Israeli atrocities against civilians, including those recognized by the U.N, like Goldstone's Gaza report, then I don't see much difference between you and the Wahabbis"
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3885954,00.html


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